An Interview

Sri Sathya Sai Baba is easily one of the most popular spiritual leaders of contemporary India. He has attracted crores [millions] of followers, cutting across barriers of caste, language, region, and nation. He first became famous because of the miracles He performed, specifically His ability to materialize holy ash and other material things out of thin air. Rationalists have consistently targeted Him. But, Baba, as He is referred to reverentially and affectionately by his devotees, only emerged stronger from these controversies.

Today, the 74-year-old Baba is known for working miracles of a different kind. Miracles in the form of a Super Specialty Hospital where free treatment is provided to anyone who needs it, a massive drinking water scheme in the parched hinterland of Andhra Pradesh or a massive educational complex. The high and the mighty of the land touch his feet and seek his blessings, as do ordinary people from all walks of life. Baba gives them all the same message of love. He has never given an interview to a journalist in the past 25 years. But recently, he spoke to S. Balakrishnan and a group of journalists from Mumbai in a small room in his ashram in Puttaparthi, Andhra Pradesh.

Q: How do you relate yourself to Sai Baba of Shirdi?

Baba: This body has not seen him.

Q: Indians are increasingly turning to Godmen and Godwomen. Is this a sign of growing insecurity within them? Or is it something else?

Baba: It is basically a search for God. The divine is present within each person and the search is for this divinity. God realization cannot be seen as a sign of insecurity. It is a positive aspiration to be one with God. It is a good sign.

Q: Even as mankind is relentlessly searching for God, he finds himself engulfed by more and more misery. What is the reason for this state of affairs?

Baba: Attachment to the body is the root cause of all suffering and misery. Once this attachment ends, then one can experience divine bliss. There is no doubt about that. Since God does not have any bodily attachment, He does not attach any importance to the suffering of His body.

Q: What is the best way to serve God?

Baba: Serve the poor, the weak, the downtrodden, and the underprivileged. There is divinity in each of us, hence love and serve fellow human beings selflessly. Give those around you pure love. Religion can be best pursued through the axiom “Dil mein Rama, haath mein kaam.” [Rama in the heart, hands at work]. There is only one religion—the religion of love; one caste—the caste of humanity; one language—the language of the heart; one law—the law of karma [action] and there is only one God—He is omnipresent. All of us should remember these simple yet profound truths. These truths lead us to God.

Q: Is there no escape from human misery?

Baba: It is all karma. The need is to adopt the path of righteousness. One should surrender oneself to the Almighty.

Q: Why do you perform miracles like materializing a ring, a medallion, a necklace, vibhuti, and other objects? What are you trying to prove by performing these miracles?

Baba: Chamatkaar or miracle is a cheap word for what I do. A magician performs his tricks to earn a livelihood and worldly fame. But I materialize these talismans as my visiting cards, as evidence that Divinity can transform earth into sky and vice versa. To doubt this is to betray an inability to grasp the grandeur of the universe. I get lot of satisfaction while gifting these talismans to my devotees.

Q: The suffering millions flock to you. They want to pass on their problems and suffering to you. How much of these suffering can you take on?

Baba: I am only performing a Divine mission.
Q: How do you spend your day?

Baba: My day begins with granting darshan [sight of a holy person] to my devotees, interviews to people, attending bhajans [spiritual songs], and then attending to all projects taken up for human welfare. The same cycle is repeated from early afternoon till evening. Although I know the contents of all letters that I receive, I read all of them for the trupti or satisfaction of my devotees.

I avoid milk, green fruits, dry fruits, sweets, ghee, butter, tea, coffee, etc. I take a skimpy meal of ragi [millet] and green gram. For the past 60 years my weight has remained unchanged at 108 pounds. When the world sleeps, I go to my devotees, give them my vision, comfort them, console them, and solve their problems. I willingly take the sufferings of my devotees on myself.

Q: Have you gone abroad any time?

Baba: Yes, only once—to East Africa. That was because of the pure love of a devotee who is gone now. I did not go at the invitation of the government.

Q: Do you have any plans to visit foreign nations and spread your message?

Baba: No. Where there is sugar, the ants come; the sugar does not go chasing after the ants. My first task is to clean up our own country, then go to other countries.

Q: You wield enormous influence over the top politicians of the country. Why don’t you impress on them the need to inculcate values in public life? If this is done, India will be a much better place.

Baba: Politicians have a choice to pursue good or bad governance and they covet power frenziedly. But I tell them that politics without principles, science without humanity, education without character, and commerce without morality are not only useless but can prove to be positively dangerous to people at large.

Q: Do you read newspapers?

Baba: I never read them. Even though I do not read any newspaper, I am aware of everything that is happening around the globe. Newspapers should be more careful and responsible in their reporting. Publishing of sensational and baseless news must be avoided. Negative reporting, especially of those at the helm of the country, should not be done as this has a lot of repercussions abroad. If there are any doubts, then they should be cleared after free and frank discussions with the persons concerned. Truth should not be compromised under any circumstance.

Q: You are the chancellor of the Sathya Sai University and you attach tremendous importance to education. Why do you think that education in India has now become a mechanical exercise?

Baba: This is because education has been divorced from values. Education bereft of values is meaningless. Values must be restored to education.

Q: What are your views on different political parties in India?

Baba: All parties do good work as well as bad; the problem lies with ourselves. We should insist that principles always be followed.

Q: Who will lead the Sathya Sai movement after you?

Baba: My devotees. God will continue to guide them.

Source: The Times of India, March 12, 1999

An Interview

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