Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba Conversations John.S.Hislop
Dear Reader, We are happy to start the feature Conversations with Sai from this issue. They are taken from the famous book ‘Conversations with Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba’ by John.S.Hislop. This will continue for the next few months.Imagine you are sitting before the Lord. Imagine it is you who is asking the questions. And listen very attentively when the Lord answers. Do not try to immediately understand what He says. Go about it slowly and ponder over it. As Swami says, language is only a limited means to communicate about GOD. As you keep turning his words in your mind, with a prayer in your heart, He will surely give you the understanding in time.Get ready, the conversation is starting any moment now!
CONVERSATIONS WITH SAI PART 1
JANUARY 1968
HISLOP: We do not perceive life with absolute clarity, and yet we are acting all the time, and unclear action makes for a confused life. We are unhappy about that confusion, and in an effort to remove it we accumulate ideas of Truth, God and Reality. But those imaginings do not remove the confusion. Life is still confused. So, the question is: what is the big factor that prevents us from seeing the Truth of life clearly?SAI: You say that Truth, God and Reality are imagination. Why do you think they are imagination? They are not. Time, work, reason and experience; these four in harmony together, that is Truth. When the four are found to be out of harmony, then you feel it is untruth. n example: yesterday you came to Bangalore and from there to Puttaparti by car. Travel is work. It took you four hours to come from Bangalore. That is time. You came here to see Swami. That is the reason. Having seen Him you felt happy. This is the result.
On the other hand, last night you dreamed you were in America and were shopping. In this, the four factors were not involved. There was no work, there was no time expended, and where is the result? This is untruth. That experience was imagination, only mind work. This is the difference between truth and imagination.H: But truth, that is, in terms of work, time, reason and result – you look around the world and you see those things in operation; and the world is in a mess. So, there must be more to it than that?
SAI: When you don’t have absolute faith in the result, then doubt arises. An example: now it is daylight and the objects in the room are seen very clearly, and there is no doubt in regard to them. At night when it is fully dark and you have to grope around and do not see any of the objects, there is no doubt about that situation. But at dusk, when it is half light and half dark, doubt can arise and you may see a rope and imagine it to be a snake and be frightened. Light is not full and vision is not clear. Full light is wisdom, and full darkness is ignorance. Doubt arises when there is half darkness and half light. The half light is wisdom and the half darkness is ignorance. When you have partial ignorance and partial wisdom then you have doubts. Now you are in the middle stage when you have this little bit of wisdom and also some ignorance, where ignorance and wisdom are mixed. You are not fully experienced. When you have proper experience, the doubt will vanish. Because you are not fully experienced you are having this doubt.
A small example: while suffering from malaria, you eat a sweet but feel it has a bitter taste. It was not that the sweet was bitter, but in your experience it was bitter. It is not the fault of the sweet. Ignorance is also a disease like malaria. And the cure for this disease of ignorance is Sadhana. Man has doubt only when he does not know the Truth.Once you experience the Truth, doubt will vanish. Truth is one and for all time Truth is Truth. Whatever changes, know that as untruth. Once you were small and you grew bigger. That is also untruth. Where is the body of the ten-year-old? All has merged into the present body. First untruth; then, when we have the experience we know the Truth. Darkness and light are not different; they are one only.A small example: last night you ate some fruit. In the morning it becomes stool and you pass it out. It was fruit yesterday, but the bad and the good are the same, only one. In one form it was fruit; in the other form it was stool.
It is the same with light and darkness. When the light comes, the darkness goes. But really, the darkness does not go to any place and the light does not go to any place. When one comes, the other is unknown; it does not go anywhere.H: This mixture of light and darkness, of ignorance and wisdom which creates unhappiness, which creates trouble – Swami says that the mixture which creates confusion fades away with the right experience. The question is what is the basic factor that prevents us from having that right experience?SAI: We don’t have the intensity that is required. How much effort is needed even to study books and come to the stage when we can read difficult books. How many years, how many hours of toil we put into it. If you have the same intensity in spiritual practise, you will surely know the Truth. But we are not as intense as we should be on the spiritual path. We do not apply concentration and one-pointedness. Full concentration is needed even in the world, in walking, talking and reading.
We cannot do anything without concentration. We must concentrate even in small worldly tasks. But when we try to think of God, we get restless, and the mind becomes unstable. Why do we do the things of the world with full concentration? Why? Because we are fully interested in it. And with God we have these doubts. We have full concentration in whatever work we love deeply. Concentration is not full when we do work that we don’t love deeply.
A small example: you are driving a car. At the same time you are talking to some passengers. The road becomes narrow and dangerous. You say, “Please let us not talk now, I must give full concentration to the driving.” Why do you say this? It is because you deeply love your life and you must concentrate thoroughly to avoid an accident. Because you have this love for your body, you concentrate on its safety. When you have profound love for God, then concentration on Him will come automatically.
Sathya Sai Baba Conversations John.S.Hislop – A Sacred Dialogue of Faith, Wisdom, and Divine Love
Sathya Sai Baba Conversations John.S.Hislop is a meaningful spiritual theme that reminds us how a sincere dialogue with a divine master can open the heart to truth, peace, and higher understanding. A real conversation with Swami is never ordinary. It is not only a meeting of words, but a meeting of human questioning with divine wisdom. When a seeker asks with humility, the answer becomes a blessing that guides life from within.
The beauty of Sathya Sai Baba Conversations John.S.Hislop lies in the sincere relationship between a devotee and the Divine Master. John S. Hislop was known as a devoted seeker who asked deep questions with honesty and received guidance that helped many people understand Swami’s teachings more clearly. His conversations show that spirituality is not blind belief. It is a living journey of inquiry, practice, devotion, and transformation.
Human life is full of doubts. People ask why suffering comes, how to control the mind, how to serve others, how to live with faith, and how to understand God while living in the world. Sathya Sai Baba Conversations John.S.Hislop reminds us that sincere questions are not wrong. When questions come from ego, they create argument, but when they come from humility, they lead to wisdom.
Swami’s answers were always simple, yet very deep. He did not give spiritual knowledge only for intellectual satisfaction. His guidance was meant to be lived. He taught that truth, love, peace, right conduct, and non-violence should become part of daily life. A person may read many books, but if anger, pride, jealousy, and selfishness remain unchanged, the learning is incomplete.
Sathya Sai Baba Conversations John.S.Hislop also teaches that devotion must be practical. It should not remain only in prayer, worship, or emotional feeling. True devotion is seen in how we speak, how we think, how we treat others, and how honestly we perform our duties. A kind word, a patient response, a truthful action, and a selfless service can all become offerings to God.
One important lesson in such divine conversations is love. Swami always placed love at the center of spiritual life. Love is not merely attachment or emotion. It is patience, forgiveness, kindness, sacrifice, and understanding. A loving person does not hurt others through harsh words or selfish behavior. When love expands beyond personal relationships and embraces all beings, it becomes divine.
Sathya Sai Baba Conversations John.S.Hislop also gives importance to self-discipline. Without discipline, the mind becomes restless and weak. It runs behind desires, distractions, and unnecessary worries. Discipline teaches proper use of time, control of speech, moderation in food, honest work, and regular remembrance of God. It is not a burden, but a protection that helps the seeker move steadily on the spiritual path.
Truth is another strong message. Swami taught that truth should not be limited to speech alone. It must be present in thought, intention, action, and duty. A truthful person may face difficulties, but the heart remains peaceful because there is no fear of hiding anything. Falsehood may bring temporary benefit, but it creates weakness within. Truth gives courage and purity to life.
Service is also a central teaching. Sathya Sai Baba Conversations John.S.Hislop reminds us that service to humanity is service to God. Feeding the hungry, helping the sick, comforting the sad, guiding the confused, and supporting the weak become sacred when done with love and without pride. Prayer purifies the heart, but service proves that prayer has become real.
Another valuable lesson is control of desires. Human wants are endless when they are not guided by wisdom. One desire gives birth to another, and the mind never feels fully satisfied. Swami taught that contentment is true wealth. Contentment does not mean laziness. It means knowing the difference between need and greed. A contented person works sincerely, but does not become a slave of comparison, luxury, or show.
These conversations also show the importance of surrender. Surrender does not mean weakness or doing nothing. It means doing one’s duty sincerely and leaving the result to divine wisdom. A student must study, a worker must work honestly, a patient must take treatment, and a devotee must practice good values. After sincere effort, the heart should accept the result with faith.
Sathya Sai Baba Conversations John.S.Hislop finally teaches that the real purpose of spiritual knowledge is transformation. If divine words make us more loving, truthful, peaceful, disciplined, and service-minded, then we have understood them correctly. Swami’s teachings are not meant only to be admired; they are meant to be practiced. When His wisdom enters daily life, ordinary actions become sacred.
In the end, this sacred theme is a reminder that a conversation with Swami continues even after the spoken words end. His guidance lives in the heart through remembrance, prayer, service, and right conduct. When a seeker listens with humility and practices with sincerity, every doubt becomes a doorway to wisdom, and every day becomes a step closer to God.